Some interviews with Meg Wheatley are available as podcasts online. Visit the following links to listen to and/or download these audio files.

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July 2019:
Coaching from Deep Service in Times of Collapse

There are many signs that we are a civilization in collapse. How to be with this time of upheaval? And how can we as coaches contribute in the most meaningful way?

In this conversation with Margaret Wheatley we explore what meaningful work looks like and how coaches can contribute at this time, the roles of presence and despair, individualism and selfless service, and how to foster resilience in the face of collapse.

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March 2019:
Becoming Warriors for the Human Spirit
By studying the history of living systems and their natural life cycles, Wheatley has discovered that every living system goes through a life cycle: birth, creativity, flowering, harvesting, and then death. It was no surprise for her to realize that every civilization goes through this life cycle as well. She points out that we are at the end of a cycle and she warns us: “It’s important that we understand where we are in the pattern of collapse and not throw up our hands in despair (which is part of it – the acceptance) . . . but to understand: Now that this is happening, who do I choose to be?” Wheatley gives this advice for these perilous times: “We hold ourselves accountable for being present, for being good listeners, for not entering into every situation with a need to fix somebody or something. Instead, we must bear witness, be present, and in that, we are reminding people of the better qualities of being human. . . [It] has always puzzled me in the past how people in terrible situations describe their experience as joyful. And now I know what they’re talking about which is that they are experiencing a deep sense of communion, of connection with what it means to be human, and that is always joyful no matter what’s going on in your external life.”

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September 2019:
University College Dublin Volunteers Overseas Annual Forum 2019: ‘Compassion and Action’

What does it mean to be an activist in today’s world and how do we sustain hope?

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December 2018:
Who Do We Choose To Be? Webinar for Institute of Coaching
Speaking to hundreds of coaches and consultants, Meg encourages them to realize the rich potential of these professions. We can play a pivotal role in supporting leaders to make a conscious choice in how they use their power and influence. We can support them to step forward as Warriors for the Human Spirit, leaders who consciously act to support and defend people. In order tor coaches to serve this critical role, we also need to attend to our internal states through meditation, contemplation and other activities that take us into a deeper presence. Click to listen to the webcast:

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April 2018:
Margaret Wheatley on Civilization Collapse
This podcast goes into great depth about what’s happening, and our responses to this time, with Joshua Fields.  Joshua describes the content of our interview: “Margaret’s book, Who Do We Choose to Be, is a deconstruction of the patterns of civilization collapse and a call to action for courageous leadership in a time of demise. In this episode, we dive into the factors involved in collapse, the progress trap, and how we can show up as leaders in these testing times.”

January 2, 2018:
Margaret Wheatley: Warriors for the Human Spirit

In this interview with Tami Simon of Sounds True in her podcast Insights at the Edge, Tami and  Meg talk about the cycles of life and history, especially as they apply to the chaotic contemporary world. They discuss the need to create “islands of sanity” within our communities and what it means to become a warrior for the human spirit, and how such a warrior can avoid engaging in the same fear and anger we are trying to fight.

July 5, 2017:
Who Do We Choose to Be? A Dialogue with Meg Wheatley
Eric Klein of Wisdom Heart interviews Meg about her new book. This interview goes deeply into spiritual and historical territory to explore the shift we must make from saving the world to serving the world. 57 minutes.

January 3, 2016:

On December 30, 2015, Meg was interviewed by Peter Buffett for his program “What’s Next with Peter Buffett” on Radio Woodstock WDST. The program aired on January 3rd.

December 1, 2014:

Interview with Eric Klein of Eric takes a deep dive with Meg into the heart of her new book, How Does Raven Know? To listen to the interview, visit

October 21-27, 2013:

Riders on the Storm Virtual Summit
Meg addresses “New Paths Through the Storm” at the 2013 Riders on the Storm Summit, an annual virtual summit offering practical advice and support to facilitators, coaches, consultants and other professionals who ride the storms of change in their business, professional and personal life.
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October 16, 2012:

Teleseminar with Organization System and Relationship Coaching (ORSC]C)
Meg participated in this teleseminar with the Organization System and Relationship Coaching (ORSC]C) community as part of their quarterly professional development series. The topic was Meg’s book So Far from Home: Lost and Found in Our Brave New World.

July 26, 2010:
Interview on Good Business (Unity.FM)
Dr. Charlotte Shelton, president and CEO of Unity, and Dr. Martha Lynn, vice president of SpiritPath at Unity Village, interview Meg Wheatley about her book, “Perseverance.” Program originally aired July 26, 2010.

July 2, 2009:

Future Tense on ABC Radio (Australia)
Host Antony Funnell interviewed Meg Wheatley on the topic of “Modern Leadership and Community,” discussing Meg’s belief that we’ve become too dependent on our leaders and that future contentment and strength lies in a re-emphasis on the notion of community.

May 8, 2009:
In this program, Business Matters interviews Meg as part of an exploration of how the the capitalist system shapes human interactions, and ways to create solutions through dialogue.

See program page (all speakers)

May 2, 2009:

Northwest Catholic Women’s Convocation
This speech was delivered May 2, 2009 at the Northwest Catholic Women’s Convocation, “Drawing a New Story–Radical Hope,” an event which drew together 2000 Catholic nuns and lay women from all over the world. Meg’s speech was entitled “The Future of the World Depends on Women.” These excerpts were from her remarks on perseverance (which is the subject of her book of the same name). This speech was accompanied by Meg’s usual photos and quotes displayed on screen.


April 22, 2009:

Tamarack Community
The Promise and Paradox of Community
In this session with interviewer Paul Born, Meg talks about some of the experiences that shaped her earliest beliefs about being human. And she challenges us to re-think some of the concepts and approaches we typically bring to our understanding of community. Listen to all or portions of the interview.

July 29, 2008:

World Talk Radio’s program Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About Leadership
“Why Women, Why Now? Where and How are Women Leading in the World?”
Hosts: Brenda Chaddock & Carollyne Conlinn

August 30, 2007: Teleseminar with Tamarack

Interviewer: Louise Kearney • Visit the teleseminar’s home page (full description, resources, and downloads)
Download interview portion of the seminar (run time 00:25:43)
Download question and answer session (run time 00:17:44)

July 31, 2007:

Interview with Dan Kennedy of NetSpeed Leadership
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Audio and Podcasts by Others

The Case for Elderhood in a Time of Trouble (from the Hollyhock Talks Podcast)
Stephen Jenkinson interviewed about his new book, The Case for Elderhood in a Time of Trouble. “If it were true that life experience automatically translates into wisdom, then we would be the wisest people the world has ever seen. I look around and I see the most juvenile, untutored and deeply self-indulgent cultures that the world has ever seen.”